A Conversation with Rosemarie LoSasso, Foundation for a Course in Miracles

RosemarieLoSassoWelcome to the third of my individual interviews with the three staff members that teach the academy classes http://www.facim.org/temecula-schedule.aspx at the Foundation for A Course in Miracles in Temecula, California http://www.facim.org/. Rosemarie LoSasso, Loral Reeves, and Jeffrey Seibert have all worked closely with Kenneth and Gloria Wapnick for decades. Their devotion to Ken and Gloria’s work and commitment to living A Course in Miracles’ mind-healing message of forgiveness shines in their teaching. They continue to present Ken’s material through the lens of their own forgiveness classrooms, truly teaching, to paraphrase the Course; that he did not die by demonstrating that he lives in them, and every one of us. I hope you’ll find their stories as inspiring as I have, and consider attending their transforming classes! 

(Rosemarie LoSasso has worked in various roles at the Foundation for A Course in Miracles since its earliest days. In addition to teaching, she continues to edit Ken’s unpublished books and audios.)

Can you tell me a little about your early life before the Course?

I went to Molloy College, a small liberal arts school on Long Island, New York, where I got my bachelor’s degree in philosophy. I then got my master’s and Ph.D. in philosophy at Fordham University in the Bronx, New York. I was hired to teach philosophy back at Molloy College, where I then taught for 17 years. I was still living in the Bronx, close to the university, and continued to go to a lot of events and lectures there, and was still in contact with some of the professors.

When I started graduate work at Fordham (1965) I received an assistantship, which entailed working as a proofreader on the staff of the International Philosophical Quarterly. So I became very familiar with proofing, journal production, and publication. I loved that job and even after I got my degree I stayed on as a proofreader.

So that’s where you picked up the skills that would later prove essential when you were editing Ken’s writing. How did you find the Course?

It came into my life in 1984 through Father Norris Clarke, the coauthor with Ken of The Dialogue http://www.facim.org/bookstore/p-2-a-course-in-miracles-and-christianity-a-dialogue.aspx. He was my mentor when I wrote my Ph.D. thesis 12 years earlier. The subject was self-knowledge and my main interests were metaphysics (in the classical, not the New Age sense) and the philosophy of self. Father Clarke was also the editor of this quarterly I proofread for, so we were associated as colleagues and friends for more than 20 years. I was having some back trouble at the time and he knew a chiropractor who combined spirituality in her practice. That sounded interesting, and I eventually made an appointment with her. It turned out that the spiritual part of her practice was A Course in Miracles. So it’s kind of funny that the Course came to me through a Catholic priest.

And you were raised Catholic, right?

Yes. We weren’t a seriously religious family but we observed the rules, so to speak, no meat on Friday and that sort of thing. But religion was not a part of our lives in any significant way.

But you did take all the sacraments?

Yes. And sometime while I was in high school the parish was having a retreat for the parishioners and I decided to go to a couple of the evening sessions. The church was filled and everyone sang a hymn traditional to that part of the service (“Tantum ergo”); in one part of it the congregation lowered their voices and bowed their heads. At that moment I had a sense of something spiritual, of us all being one with something beyond us, which I had never had before. It was the beginning of something I wanted to get back to or to experience more and more. Eventually, in terms of Catholicism, the rituals and the dogma sort of faded away and all I was interested in was that sense of worshiping together as one. In the words of the Course now I would say a common interest. It created a conflict because I was still very close to Father Clarke, a Jesuit, and I was pulling away from Catholicism.

So, to backtrack a little, when I started seeing this chiropractor she would have A Course in Miracles open on her desk to a workbook lesson and would tell me about it. I was immediately attracted to it and said to myself, this is what I’m looking for, because for years I had felt there was something terribly wrong with the way I was relating to people, something missing there.

I remember hearing you say that in classes. I really could relate to that inner sense of not feeling truly loving, feeling unlovable because of it. Before the Course, it had always seemed like my dark secret.

Yes. And so when I started reading the workbook Table of Contents it just felt so right, like a training I really, really needed. Prior to that I had met Ken—he thought it was maybe six years before—when Father Clarke and I went to visit a mutual friend, a nun in New York City who was having someone over to talk about A Course in Miracles. Father Clarke and I went there and it turned out to be Ken. He presented an overview to the three of us. I didn’t like the idea of channeling, which seemed too New Age. And I heard a lot of Eastern as well as Western themes in what he was saying and I couldn’t accept it at the time. Although Buddhism appealed to me—I had studied it a little in graduate school and liked the idea of no self and oneness—but I couldn’t deal with the two of them together very well. So later, in 1984, Jesus got me on another level through the workbook. I’m almost embarrassed to say that my first contact with the Course was through Ken and I couldn’t accept it. (Laughs)

Did he forgive you?

He did. So shortly after I started with this chiropractor (1984) I bought the books (three separate volumes at that time) and started reading the text and couldn’t put it down. It was just thrilling to me. It was exactly what I’d been longing for. And when I got to the part about relationships, I said, this is it! This is going to be my life. But I immediately had what I call a head-on collision with Catholicism.

I was hoping you were going to use that phrase because you’ve used it in classes in reference to what happens when what Jesus is saying comes up against our ego thought system, and I thought it was such a great description.

Well, the idea that God did not create the world and this is a dream and Jesus is not divine; it was a head-on collision for me–especially since I was teaching in a college with nuns and priests on the faculty and I was still associated with Father Clarke and other Jesuits. I knew immediately that these two thought systems were mutually exclusive. I knew the Course was for me but it was a source of anguish because I knew I would be breaking with Catholicism and I didn’t know what that would do to my relationships or what the Jesuits would think of me. They were regarded generally as the intellectual elite in the Catholic Church, and so how could I go against that? But I knew the Course was answering questions that I had had since my teenage days. I never got to what I really wanted to in my thesis topic on self-knowledge and when I started reading the Course I thought, oh, my gosh, here it is. The whole dimension of my Self (with a capital S) and that there’s no separation between us and God.

Did you share any of what was going on with you at that point with Father Clarke?

I did. In fact he came with me to a class that Ken was giving on the Miracle Principles some time later, in 1985, when Ken and Gloria had moved to Crompond, New York. Ken did an overview of the chart and to me it was masterful. Father Clarke got the whole gist of it; he was very, very sharp, and he could immediately see the clash.

To back up a little, in 1984, when I first started the Course, I had scheduled a sabbatical for the next school year, from September 1984 through June 1985. I had to complete my sabbatical project but I had no teaching responsibilities. So whenever I wasn’t occupied with my project or taking care of my mother who was widowed at that point, I spent all of my time at Ken and Gloria’s place in Ardsley, New York, and then, later in 1984, in Crompond, where they had moved.

So you had a kind of immersion right from the beginning?

Yes. The chiropractor, Linda, couldn’t really answer any of my questions about the theory, but she said she had a friend who was a real intellectual and thought he would be happy to talk with me. She gave me his name and number and it turned out to be Ken Wapnick.

So there were all these pointers to Ken’s work, for you, really.

Right, and it turned out that Linda was in Gloria’s group. I began meeting with Ken in the Spring of 1984 to talk about the conflict between the Course and Catholicism and other metaphysical issues, as well as some personal issues. All of the conflicts were resolved of course through these discussions with Ken. One time when I went to see him, he was stuffing envelopes for a mailing and I asked if I could help. I told him I was going on sabbatical and would be happy to help. So I became more and more involved. When they moved to Crompond it was a longer drive but I still helped out as much as I could.

At one point Ken asked me if I would read a manuscript for one of the classes that he had done and kind of fix it up for a book. And so I started my editing with him back then. I went to his classes in Crompond and then at the end of my sabbatical, I returned to teaching for a full year and then applied for a leave of absence. I knew all along the Course was going to be my work, and Ken had said to me that he didn’t know how, but that I was going to be a part of the Foundation. And so I continued editing and duplicating tapes and doing whatever else he wanted me to.

In 1988 when Ken and Gloria bought the property in Roscoe and moved up there, I joined the staff full-time in September (still on leave from Molloy). I just knew the Foundation was where I was supposed to be, but I was having difficulty telling my family and my colleagues at Molloy that I had decided to leave my tenured position on the faculty and join the staff of the Foundation in Roscoe. Almost everyone feared that I had fallen into the clutches of a cult. Some of the nuns and priests feared for my soul. But once people in my family visited me in Roscoe, met Ken and Gloria, and then realized that I was still going to family events as I had always done, they accepted the change.

When you first moved there was your primary job the editing?

Yes. Publications, and then I learned audio recording and editing.

And that’s still your primary job?

Yes. Teaching and publications.

But you did start teaching almost immediately, as well?

Yes. Not long after I started with the Course in 1984 and had had a few private sessions with Ken, he said I should be teaching.  I met with a group of Gloria’s friends a few times to explain the theory, and I taught a non-credit class in the evening at Molloy, but it wasn’t until the Foundation moved to Roscoe that I started formal teaching for the Foundation.

Before we go on—and I’ve asked Loral and Jeff to speak to this, too—could you describe what it was like living in Roscoe?

I loved it. It wasn’t a religious community where everyone eats meals in common and prays together, and it wasn’t the usual kind of family either. It was somewhere in between, which I thought was ideal. We had private lives yet we were all joined in purpose for the Foundation. Ken, with Gloria, gave regular classes for the staff to instill in us what they wanted to be uppermost in our minds: to accept the Atonement for ourselves. That was the goal for each of us and we were joined in that goal. And being kind and respectful toward one another was just so important to them. So in the classes Ken would help us understand how specialness creeps in, and that we were not there to save the world or propagate the Course but to follow our own Atonement path, and this was just the context in which we would do it as a staff.

Ken helped us weed out any other possible motivations we might have: that we were somehow special because we were on the staff, or that we had special gifts to offer the Foundation. He helped us purify our motivations and goals. It was very hard because it brought to the surface all these other ego aspects of our lives. He constantly worked with us to consider why we were there and how we could derail the whole thing by not looking at our egos and recognizing all the different ways specialness crept in.

We had about 22 staff members, including maintenance, kitchen, and housekeeping, and he didn’t tolerate any sort of competition or rivalries that normally arise in those circumstances. He was very strong and firm about that. People had always asked what it was like to be on the staff.  It was no different from being anywhere else, really. As he always said in his classes, you can practice the Course anywhere, in any circumstances.

You’re right. Any group or situation or relationship, whatever we find ourselves in, is our classroom in which to practice.

Right. And he just always tried to impress on us the importance of being on the watch for specialness. Ken actually had planned to write a book about this kind of “community”–the staff classes had been recorded, which was to be the basis for his book.

That’s fascinating that Ken planned to use the material from the staff meetings in a book. 

I remember listening to a CD set where he talked about the orchestra and some letter he wrote to the staff quoting a conductor. The idea was that no one instrument, one voice, is more important than another. Each, although different in form, is integral to the whole. He used that analogy to illustrate how joining with the wholeness of our conductor, our inner teacher, allows us to kind of disappear into the beauty of the whole music. “Not to be seen, but known,” as Jesus puts it so movingly in “The Lifting of the Veil” section at the end of “The Obstacles to Peace.” And he also talked about how the motto for the Foundation he and Gloria stood by was always: “People first.”

Yes, and he also talked about someone who was on the staff who was really meant to be a soloist. Ken said he didn’t need anybody like that on the staff. He got across to that person that he wouldn’t be happy at the Foundation. It wasn’t a good fit for this person.

And he said the person recognized it, too.


Don’t you think that this worked, though, for the Foundation and the staff members, because they recognized on some level that, for them, being there, supporting Ken’s illuminating work while constantly learning from him and practicing forgiveness in their lives, was meant to be the classroom in which they would really learn to accept the Atonement for themselves?


So, it’s always an individualized curriculum. The classroom is not special but an opportunity to take another step closer to awakening by making the classroom’s purpose to learn the true meaning of shared over separate interests, sameness over specialness.

Oh my goodness, yes.

And I guess also to look at the ways we try to differentiate ourselves through unworthiness, the flip side of specialness. Just another form of it, right?

Oh, yes. I had to deal with both sides of it. It’s difficult and I think we all went through, and are still going through, the pains of exposing the ego motivations and desires and demands. As you know, in some of my classes I have said that in letting go of specialness you go through withdrawal because it is an addiction. Who would I be without my specialness, without my ego, you know? How would I survive? It’s horrible. But we put ourselves in that position, so we have to choose to undo it. And it turns out it’s not so horrible after all.


You know, everybody wanted to be special to Ken. And even though he’s not around in form they still want themselves known as being close to Ken and it’s a good thing he’s not around because he’d give them a good swat.


Right! He’d smack us right upside the head!


You talked very eloquently about how he worked with the staff as a group. But collaborating with him also meant working with him individually on your own stuff, right?

Oh, yes.

You told a story at the March 2014 academy about Ken, early on in Roscoe, telling you how when he was at the monastery he had the desire to just run away and be buried in God’s love. And how beautiful that sounded but how much it also kind of freaked you out.

Yes. I had always been attracted to mysticism (it was a chapter in my thesis) and that’s what I loved about the Course, too. Ken was just talking to a few of us one day informally, as he often did, this time about the period in his life when he wanted to be a monk. And that’s when he said he just wanted to bury himself alive in God. I was very attracted to that but I saw almost immediately the other side. What happens to me if I’m buried alive in God’s love? That was a big part of what I had to work out with the Course, this whole clash between specialness and the desire to disappear into the presence of God.

When I worked with Ken personally it was frequently about family issues and my wanting to be a helper, to fix people. He helped me realize how what appeared to be so loving on my part, was not loving at all. It was very rough to expose all that. And even when I was still at Molloy, he helped me in my interactions with my students to learn that I was no different. In form I was the authority, but in content I was the same as they. It was very, very helpful and really got me going in what this Course was all about in terms of practice.

He helped me be more honest about my motivations for helping people–family, friends, students, colleagues. He helped me see how unloving and how unhelpful it was to offer help only because of the guilt I would feel if I didn’t. Once he told me to do whatever would make me feel less guilty (to visit or not to visit a lonely person), but just be totally honest about my motivation. That was a turning point in my process I think. It took so much pressure off to learn that the relationship was not about what I did but only about my honesty with Jesus in my mind.

Such normal advice, really; except for the being honest about it part, I guess.

Right. So that opened up a lot for me in terms of looking within at what’s really going on. It was extraordinarily helpful and I did actually become more loving (content). But one of the worst moments in my life with the Course was when I realized that all of my relationships were technically just specialness and I really didn’t know how to do anything else. That was the part I thought I really couldn’t survive. I felt so hopeless! When I realized that I didn’t know how to relate in any other way, I just crumbled into despair.

That is such an excruciating but necessary awareness. But the Course itself is the other way?

Yes. The Course is here to help us see things differently and learn to relate differently. Ken helped me learn to be really honest about what I was doing with everyone, including him. He wasn’t judgmental and he would work with me to see that that was why I was there (at the Foundation), and to realize that that was why the Course was in my life. And as I said in the beginning, I was so aware that there was something very, very wrong with the way I was relating to people. And now there was an answer, another way, and learning it was going to be the new purpose of my life. 

Beautifully put. And that’s what Ken was always asking all of us who identified with this path home to do. 

In the acknowledgments at the beginning of most of Ken’s books that I’ve read, he thanks you for your editing. Can you tell me more about that huge role you took on? Did you edit all of his books? Collaborating with an author like that can be a very intimate and sometimes challenging process. What was it like working with him to help get these books into print?

I find this a difficult question to answer, maybe the most difficult. I’m not sure of how to answer it. First, I would describe myself more as a copy editor than as an editor in the formal professional sense. I had no formal training in writing or journalism. Gloria, of course, worked with Ken on everything he wrote from the idea stage to the final edit, and others on the staff were involved in proofing newsletter articles and such. Proofing and fixing up transcripts of audio recordings kind of came naturally to me–taking care of sentence fragments, redundancies, etc., but at first I was quite uneasy about actually changing anything Ken had written, making recommendations, and so on–who was I to do that!

I enjoyed the work very much, but all along I had to face the ego issues that kept coming up, which Ken helped me with. When, in the early years, I questioned my “right” to be in that position when I knew there were people far more qualified than I, he always assured me that he knew what he was doing and that he trusted me with his books. That last statement was very humbling and anxiety provoking and led me to be vigilant always for my ego’s attempts to sneak in. So in one very important sense, my working closely with Ken was the setting for my own process of accepting the Atonement—no different from any other position on the staff. We were all the same in this regard.

Ken and I thought alike in many ways. We had a lot in common because of our academic backgrounds and intellectual inclinations for one thing, and that made our editing meetings more efficient. He always had tons of things going on all at the same time, and I tried to be mindful of his time, although, as many others know, too, no matter how busy he was, he was always fully present to the person sitting across from him. I was in awe of the depth and breadth of his knowledge and how easily it all flowed into his writing, but he never let me go on about that for more than 30 seconds or so–then he switched the conversation to the Brooklyn Dodgers or the Yankees. His spiritual depth left me speechless at times, but he never thought of it as a big deal or as something to talk about. What a lesson!

So I guess I would say that I feel extremely grateful to have worked so closely with him; yet I can also say that at times I have felt guilty about having had that closeness but not having chosen to go and stay where he was spiritually even though it was so clear to me that he was inviting me to join him there. He never, ever judged me for that.

What also was amazing was that just about all of my time over these 30 years was spent listening to recordings of his classes or reading the transcripts and other material he had written. It never felt like a job at all. It was, and remains, deeply inspiring. I am so grateful.

Thank you for that. What about teaching the Course? That must have been a journey, an important classroom, too?

Yes, teaching has been my classroom (pardon the pun), which, of course, is all about relationships. Very early in Roscoe I was putting together the subject index for Ken’s book Forgiveness and Jesus and I had an experience of having been with Jesus as a teacher and then leaving him because I couldn’t be special. I wanted to do my own thing and I couldn’t, so I went my own way as a teacher. Ken never thought it really happened and that the experience was symbolic, just reflecting my deep-seated guilt over the original decision to be separate from God. So, for me, teaching with the Foundation has been a means of accepting the correction of my decision to be separate, the correction being learning to be an ego-less teacher, basically. So, that’s still going on.

It’s what we’re all trying to learn, really, maybe not in the form of teaching, but in some relationship or situation in our lives, and, ultimately, in all of them. I wonder how Ken’s sudden death has affected your teaching and your whole experience with this path.

It was a shock to me because, as I’m sure the others have told you, he was planning on coming back and thought he would be fine. When he died I thought immediately that this was what he had been trying to get through to us all the time. The idea of don’t stay with the symbol, his body, go right to the source, the content of love in the mind that’s the same in all of us. I’ve tried to see his death that way but it’s been very difficult. I go back and forth. I was used to going into his office to ask questions, discuss any uneasiness about my teaching and other matters, and so now I just approach him in my mind with all of that. And I realized as well, what else could he tell me that he hasn’t already?

Occasionally I have ideas, or a question is answered in some way, or I just experience his presence here. And I realize that this is what it’s all about and you can’t lose love. So it’s just been a tremendous opportunity and lesson in learning that love is beyond form. And that’s what he wanted all of us to accept; that we haven’t really lost love at all, we haven’t lost him. But it’s difficult.

I talk to him all the time about my teaching, doing my work with editing. I just become quiet and try to ask, how would you do this? And most of the time the uneasiness I’m feeling goes away and I just do it. When I’m standing up there in front of a class, I sense more and more that he’s there with me. I’m devoted to preserving what he teaches and is still teaching and am aware of his love for me and everybody in the room. That’s my only real purpose. Not what I say or any of the interactions but joining with that love, letting it come through me, and just getting out of the way. And then staying aware of anything that’s intruding on that.

And that was so palpable in all the staff’s teaching at the March and July 2014 academy classes I attended. There was a kind of seamless joining with that presence I could feel in all three of you teachers that just pulled me right with it. I’d attended your classes before and you were all always great, but there seemed a kind of stepping up, stepping forward, that challenged us all to relate to the abstract love. Even though I’m very aware of that fear of what does that mean for me in myself, the draw of joining with you was so strong that I was able to. It’s something that has carried over to my life and strengthened my practice and resolve.

We kind of felt that in the room at the March Academy, too. That Ken was still there in the sense that the content hadn’t changed at all.

I would think for the three of you that it’s also very healing to carry on this work that is so powerful, has been such a part of your lives, and is touching and transforming the lives of so many.

Yes, exactly. And the other side of that, and I’m only speaking for myself although I know a few other people on staff have felt this, too, is that all of a sudden we’ll start feeling guilty because we’re okay. That somehow we’re not supposed to be okay because it’s a betrayal of Ken. So it’s kind of part of the grieving process. People will start feeling guilty because they’re happy, so then we deal with that and remind ourselves that’s okay, too, we just went back into form. The other whole side of the Foundation, the uncertainty, what the future’s going to look like; we’re dealing with all that, too. But in terms of his presence, the process is really just to remember that’s he’s still here. One of the first thoughts I had about him after he died was him saying, “I haven’t gone anywhere.”

I felt that, too. And I thought about how he was really challenging us in recent years to grow up with this Course. Telling us the answer is not in him, Ken. And you all talked about this, too. How at some point it becomes an impediment when we insist on seeing the presence of that love in Ken but never claim it in ourselves or go to our inner teacher  in the mind with our anguish and questions.


Is there anything else you want to add about the value of attending these classes?

I don’t know if inspiring is the right word but there are so many people who take these classes, really listen, and work very hard to apply and demonstrate in their lives what Ken has always taught. I am just so impressed by how many people are so serious about this, in a positive way. It’s their path and they are really living, practicing, learning, and studying it. It’s a real source of joy and happiness.

There are a lot of beginners and that’s inspiring, too. You just know that there are new people having the experience of realizing this is what they’ve been looking for all their lives. And learning that it’s a long road and there are some pretty difficult spots as you uncover your ego and look at the awful things egos do and think. It’s very encouraging to hear people talk about that, be so honest and open about it. Even with my experience I still have to hand things over and over again to Jesus. And I hear something I haven’t before, or hear it on a deeper level. And we may be saying the same thing in our classes but Ken did that. He always said he wasn’t going to say anything we hadn’t heard already. You just have to let it in on deeper and deeper levels and that’s what’s happening to people.

Yes, I think so. And that’s a good point about how there are new people coming to the Course all the time and so it’s wonderful that the Foundation and Ken’s teachings are here for them and all of us. There’s a place for all of us who are learning and practicing, to go. I know I wouldn’t have a clue about what the Course was really saying or how to practice it and continue practicing it without his work.

At this past July five-day Academy I was a little surprised at how many people came back and how many new people came. People are drawn to it. It’s their path and an answer to their prayers in many ways, a teaching that finally makes sense to them that they can practice in everyday life.

Thank you so much, Rosemarie. I’m so grateful. 


The Foundation for A Course in Miracles continues to offer illuminating classes taught by a talented, devoted, truly inspiring staff who shine with the light of living this work! I was so deeply moved and inspired by their presentations at the July and March academies I attended, and can’t wait to return for more in November! Check out all their current offerings including the Winter 2015 schedule here:  http://www.facim.org/temecula-schedule.aspx

You’ll also find new releases from the Foundation’s bookstore here: https://www.facim.org/bookstore/t-latestreleases.aspx, the online bookstore here: https://www.facim.org/bookstore/, online learning aids here: https://www.facim.org/online-learning-aids.aspx, and questions on just about any topic Course students could dream up sanely, lovingly, and eloquently answered here: https://www.facim.org/online-learning-aids/question-answer.aspx

I’m honored to be presenting a workshop at the invitation of Jim Peterson in Portland, Oregon, in March 2015. The subject is close to my heart and A Course in Miracles forgiveness practice: “The Parent-Child Relationship: Transcending Guilt Blame and Need.” To find out more and register, please go to Jim’s site: http://www.alchemical-transformation-guidance.com/SusanDuganWorkshop2014.html  and/or check out my Classes/Events page: https://www.foraysinforgiveness.com/classes-events

I’ll be speaking in interview format, followed by a live Q & A session, at the upcoming Miracle Share virtual conference in October. Find out more about the many speakers and register here: https://www.e-junkie.com/ecom/gb.php?cl=278046&c=ib&aff=279436 Find out about the emphasis of my talk on my Classes/Events page, here: https://www.foraysinforgiveness.com/classes-events  

Enjoyed chatting with Bruce Rawles again in this new video about the ego’s backlash and the importance of not taking ourselves too seriously! https://www.foraysinforgiveness.com/videos

CA Brooks, (host of an ACIM show at 12Radio that airs Friday mornings, 9 a.m., Mountain Time) and I discussed “What Is Salvation?” And “What Is the World” from the Course’s workbook in early September. You can listen to the audio recording at the top of my audio page here: https://www.foraysinforgiveness.com/audios I am a guest speaker on CA’s 12Radio ACIM program the first Friday of each month, 9 a.m., Mountain Time.

HALF-HOUR, FORTY-FIVE MINUTE, OR HOUR-LONG MENTORING SESSIONS NOW AVAILABLE: Although A Course in Miracles is clearly a self-study program and the one relationship we are truly cultivating is with our eternally sane and loving right mind, mentoring can help remind Course students having trouble applying its unique forgiveness that the problem and the solution never lie in the difficult relationship, situation, behavior, health issue, etc., but in the decision-making mind. In every circumstance, without exception, we can experience inner peace and kindness toward all, unaffected by the seemingly random strife of a world designed to prove otherwise. By choosing to look at our lives as a classroom in which we bring all our painful illusions to the inner teacher of forgiveness who knows only our shared innocence beyond all its deceptive disguises, we learn to identify and transcend the ego’s resistance, hold others and even ourselves harmless, and gently allow our split mind to heal. Sessions are conducted via traditional phone or Skype (your choice). Please contact me to find out if mentoring is right for you before submitting a payment below. (No one is ever turned away for lack of ability to pay.)

Here’s a link to details about my ongoing Tuesday night class on the text here in Denver https://www.foraysinforgiveness.com/classes-events beginning in May 2014.

My good friend and fellow Course student and teacher Bruce Rawles, author of The Geometry Code http://www.amazon.com/Geometry-Code-Universal-Reminders-Separation/dp/0965640574/ref=la_B003ZZVZVK_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1411567229&sr=1-1, frequently invites me to chat with him on YouTube about the Course and Ken Wapnick’s teachings. He continues to compile lots of great ACIM information well worth checking out at http://www.acimblog.com/

My good friend and gifted A Course in Miracles teacher and writer Bernard Groom has been posting beautifully written, heartfelt essays about living A Course in Miracles for years at http://www.acimvillage.com/. I found his recent, kindly right-minded contemplations there on the death of our beloved teacher Ken Wapnick deeply comforting! Bernard lives and teaches in France with his dear wife Patricia. You’ll find a wealth of information in French on his website http://uncoursenmiraclesenfrance.com/ including recorded talks available for purchase or free download: http://uncoursenmiraclesenfrance.com/audio/.

My dear friend and wonderful teacher Lyn Corona continues to offer classes at the Rocky Mountain Miracle Center through her School of Reason for Course students and teachers. You can subscribe to her website http://www.schoolofreason.org/ to receive information about upcoming classes.

My latest book, Forgiveness Offers Everything I Want is available on Amazon in both paperback and kindle versions. If you read and find the book helpful, I would so appreciate you posting a brief (a sentence or two is fine) review on Amazon. 🙂

Forgiveness Offers Everything I Want, and my previous book, Extraordinary Ordinary Forgiveness, are now also available from the ACIM Store: http://www.acimstore.com/default.asp.


  1. A superb conversation; thanks, Susan! This interview covers a lot of ground, not only historically with respect to A Course In Miracles, but also in terms of the processes we all go through in looking at ego, revealing dark corners of our mind where specialness creeps in, then learning to let those thoughts all go to reveal the peace behind them. 🙂

  2. Thank you again Susan for another superb interview!
    How helpfull this is…
    And how familiar.

  3. Thank you, Bruce and Annelies. These foundation teachers are truly a treasure! 🙂

  4. Rosemarie is a gem of wisdom an humility. Thanks for sharing this.

  5. Yes, she most certainly is!

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